- 0:02 - Intro
- 0:14 - Emergency podcast to discuss pickleball "battle royale"
- 0:26 - Background on tour wars and why it matters
- 0:46 - Jill's perspective as newly signed MLP player
- 1:31 - Tom Dundon vs. Steve Kuhn battle of personalities at top
- 2:30 - Jill's involvement in PPA/MLP merger attempts
- 3:40 - Vibe league emergence led to PPA/MLP merger
- 4:24 - Different business philosophies of PPA (Tom) and MLP (Steve)
- 5:50 - Merger broke down recently
- 6:48 - PPA perceived as top heavy favoring top players
- 7:45 - Jill had positive experiences with PPA in 2022
- 8:40 - Shock at merger collapse
- 9:54 - Competition between tours will raise level
- 10:42 - Tom Dundon quote they'll end up in same place eventually
- 11:09 - MLP perceived as leader currently
- 12:01 - Many PPA-signed players are on MLP teams
- 12:24 - Likely roster redrafts before next Atlanta event
- 13:01 - Unclear if PPA would allow players to still play MLP
- 14:10 - If PPA can block players legally from MLP
- 15:46 - Players may not have signed full contracts yet
- 16:37 - PPA unlikely to "lend" players to MLP
- 18:29 - No obligation seen for players to play PPA
- 19:06 - Speculation on how PPA could block players
- 20:20 - Vibe teams status unclear if original deal didn't close
- 21:50 - Best outcome may be for Vibe teams to leave MLP
- 22:26 - Crazy valuations could continue for team sales
- 23:25 - PPA buying teams and reselling a thought
- 24:50 - Uphill battle seen for PPA to launch team league
- 26:11 - MLP creating tour seen as less difficult
- 27:21 - MLP likely to innovate vs. copy PPA model
- 28:31 - Can singles be saved and made exciting
- 29:48 - MLP needs personalities more than pure talent
- 31:18 - Prediction of top tennis players switching
- 32:25 - Comparison for player ranked #200 in tennis vs. pickleball
- 34:04 - Doubles for income and lifestyle better than tennis
- 35:09 - Contracts doubled or more from 2021 to 2022
- 35:34 - Steve Kuhn prioritizes quality of life
- 36:07 - Example of non-pickleball executive's views
- 37:14 - Business following tennis not seen as good model
- 38:01 - Personality and entertainment matter more than pure skill
- 39:27 - Most personalities seen as remaining with MLP
- 40:12 - 2022 MLP success without full PPA player participation
- 40:52 - Full collection of top talent not critical
- 41:36 - Interest in new tennis converts performance
- 42:26 - Avoid tennis model to grow business
- 43:12 - Golf comparison of formats coexisting
- 43:42 - Integrated pathway system a positive
- 44:49 - MLP likely to look more NFL/NBA
- 45:03 - Trades and roster shuffle matches viewer interest
- 45:49 - Conferences could develop
- 46:11 - New facilities likely built
- 46:25 - Dilution argument seen as wrong
- 47:10 - Final thoughts
- 48:16 - Appreciate intimate insights
Pickleball in Turmoil as Rival Tours Battle for Sport's Future
The world of professional pickleball was thrown into chaos this past weekend as a shock move by the upstart Major League Pickleball seeking exclusive contracts sparked a frenzied bidding war with the incumbent Professional Pickleball Association.
"I got choked up," said Jill Braverman, a top-20 ranked player who recently signed a 3-year exclusive deal with Major League Pickleball after working as Chief of Staff for the league. "I fire shot three quick text messages to Ann Worcester, who manages owner relations for MLP."
At issue is whether pickleball will become a team-driven spectacle like many major sports leagues, or follow tennis with a tour focused on individual stars. The philosophies of the leaders behind each tour are clashing as battles rage over player contracts.
On one side is Steve Kuhn, the charismatic founder of MLP and Dupr, who preaches growing pickleball through innovative formats like rally scoring and a team league. "Steve's excitable. Larger than life," said Braverman, who previously served as CEO of Dupr under Kuhn. "He plays business on a 3D chessboard."
Opposite is Tom Dundon, the hedge fund manager behind the PPA who Braverman calls "hyper rational" and intent on modeling pickleball after tennis. "Fundamentally if two businesses can't merge, you have to look at the personalities there," she explained.
Braverman helped broker a merger between the tours last year, only to see it collapse recently. "When I heard about this, my sorrow was quickly replaced by acceptance that competition is good," she said.
The bidding war saw salaries skyrocket, with deals doubling or more from last year. "We're seeing things quadrupled and now into the seven figures guaranteed," Braverman revealed.
Most shockingly, Major League Pickleball provided funding to break contracts of many PPA players. "The PPA is throwing around more money. But rapport, vision and philosophy matter," said Braverman.
The defection of top pros and scramble to sign players led to chaos last weekend, according to Braverman. "Everyone's on their phones, everyone's got their own corner on the phone," she described. "It was crazy, the amount of phone calls."
Braverman expects team rosters will need complete redrafting for MLP's next event. As for the sport's future, she sees the innovator Kuhn having the edge over Dundon's plan to replicate tennis.
"It's not what the viewers want," Braverman stated. "People love team sports. Pickleball is joy."
The differing philosophies extend to how each tour hopes to build star power. "The PPA rewards individual success more," explained Braverman. "Whereas in the team format, Major League Pickleball stars are less guaranteed to win."
She cites examples like LeBron James, where supporting cast and teamwork matter. "In pickleball, Ben Johns and AnnaLeigh Waters are the undisputed individual stars right now. But my team beat Ben's team at MLP, even though we were worse on paper."
Braverman suggests fans gravitate more toward excitement than pure skill. "Do they want to see the best men's doubles team hit 104 dinks, or meaningful points and highlights?" she asks.
The team concept also provides camaraderie lacking in individual sports like tennis. "I've played all these PPA events, and I don't see the same joy from the players that you do at MLP events," described Braverman.
Signs point toward Kuhn's vision winning out, as Major League Pickleball has drawn far more top pros so far. But Braverman expects convergence eventually.
"I do believe we'll end up in the exact same place, it's just going to take a hell of a lot more money and time," she said, quoting Dundon himself on the matter.
For now, Braverman is most excited by what the battle means for those playing the sport. "Pickleball is now a professional sport. People can make a living playing a game they love," she said.
Her hope is that competitive tension lifts up pickleball as a whole, regardless of which tour or philosophy prevails. "I think this is ultimately good for the sport, the fans and the players," Braverman stated in closing.
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